1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 You hear that? 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Something's growling at us. 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Man, my whole body is shaking right now. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 What was that? 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Whoa. 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Shadow just moved into that room really fast. 7 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 There's something following me. 8 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 You feel how cold it is all of a sudden? 9 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 This thing's been following me down here. 10 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,000 What is it? 11 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,000 What do you think is down here? 12 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 I want to try to connect with you right now. 13 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Knock something over. 14 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,000 What the? 15 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Are you sure that's safe to do? 16 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Probably not, obviously. 17 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,000 It's not. 18 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Kind of terrified to be. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Oh, my soul may hear. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 You hear that? 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 You hear that? 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Bobby Mackey's music world in wilder Kentucky 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,000 is the nation's notorious mecca for paranormal investigators. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Katrina will visit the venue for the very first time, 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,000 but Nick has his own dark history here. 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 After his last visit several years ago, 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 something unholy followed him home, 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,000 wreaking havoc on his personal life. 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,000 He swore he would never return. 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,000 When country music legend Bobby Mackey purchased the property in 1978, 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 he was fulfilling his dream of owning a country music bar. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 But when the honky-tonk opened, 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,000 it became clear that the previous spirit tenants were never evicted. 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 The dark hauntings are the stuff of legends. 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Shadow figures lurk above the stage 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000 and physically attack patrons in the back corners of the club. 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,000 When former employee Carl Lawson dug up the long-covered well 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 in the basement under the bar, 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 his depression and rage became so intense 40 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,000 that a local priest was called to perform an exorcism. 41 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Most believe the haunting originated in 1896 with Pearl Bryan, 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000 who was beheaded by her boyfriend Scott Jackson 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,000 and her friend Alonso Walling after a botched abortion. 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Legend has it that Pearl's head was thrown down the well, 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 casting an impenetrable darkness over the property. 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Walling and Jackson were hanged for their crime not far away. 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000 In recent years, paranormal investigators have received 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 what they believe to be communication from Pearl and her murderers 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,000 and say that her grisly death has charged the area. 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 But as Nick and Katrina dug deeper, 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 they found that the facts of Pearl Bryan's death 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 may conflict with the rumors. 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Now, as they prepare to lock themselves inside Bobby Mackey's music world 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 for 72 hours, 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 they must sift through the legends 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,000 and find the true origins of the infamously dark haunting. 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I've been to Bobby Mackey's music world here in Walter, Kentucky multiple times. 58 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 And what's scary about this location is all these legends, 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 these ghost stories, these paranormal activities, 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,000 people having experiences, very dark negative hauntings 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 that not only happens in the location but follows you home. 62 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 I've had that experience. 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 It's been really hard to shake off that negativity 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 and just that feeling of dread. 65 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,000 And I thought it was Pearl Bryan haunting the locations. 66 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 All these ghost stories that I've heard about Bobby Mackey's 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,000 and I've experienced, I thought that was what was here. 68 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 These stories have been told so many times 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,000 and I've never been here, but these are the stories that I've heard. 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 And they're presented as fact. 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 They're getting names of these people. 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 They're calling out to these people. They're getting attacked. 73 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 And everything I've ever heard about this place is very, very dark, 74 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 very heavy energy. 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,000 If none of it's true, as far as being connected to Bobby Mackey's, 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 then, you know, what's the genesis of the haunting? 77 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 What started it and why is it so negative? 78 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 We're gonna go meet Ken from the Historical Society. 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,000 We're gonna talk to him and get to the bottom of all these legends and stories 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 and try to get to the facts. 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Ken Reese is the president of the Columbus County Historical Society 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 and he's done extensive research on the murder of Pearl Bryan. 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 So if anybody knows the truth about what really happened, it would be Ken. 84 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 We always heard the story that the head was found in the well. 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 It was never found. 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 So it was never, ever found. 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 The head just never was found. 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 There's no evidence that they have any idea where it went to. 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 So anybody who says that, it's basically an urban legend that they're just repeating. 90 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000 It's an urban legend, yes. 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 So Bobby Mackey's is here. 92 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Bobby Mackey's would be right there. 93 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 She was murdered in Fort Thomas in a district of Highlands. 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Oh, which we eventually called Fort Thomas. 95 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 It's a couple miles away. 96 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 And the hangings didn't even take place near that location either. 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Yeah, that was down in the city of Newport. 98 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 That would have been roughly six miles away. 99 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 There's no history of connection back to there. 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Yes, yes. 101 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 She was murdered in Fort Thomas. 102 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Just speaking with Ken and knowing that the research Katrina and I have done is accurate, 103 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 there's no connection to the Pearl Bryan murder case 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 in the location of Bobby Mackey's music world. 105 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 I know from personal experiences that this place is haunted. 106 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,000 If it's not Scott Jackson, Alonzo Walling, or even Pearl Bryan, then what is it? 107 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Here's the sign I was telling you about. 108 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Warning to our patrons, this establishment is reported to be haunted. 109 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Management is not responsible and cannot be held liable for any actions of any ghosts, spirits on those premises. 110 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,000 That's such a way of feeling being back in here. 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 It's suffocating. 112 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 It's heavy, right? 113 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 But it's not like, um, like a somebody's. 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Oh, like strangling? 115 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Geez. 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 No, it's strangling because it's here. 117 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 In your chest? 118 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,000 In my chest, but it's like somebody puts a weight on your, on your chest. 119 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 You okay? 120 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I'm fine, but it's, it's a, it's a very immediate. 121 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,000 We're meeting Bobby and his wife Denise, who own Bobby Mackey's music world. 122 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Bobby is definitely the more skeptical where Denise has always had paranormal experiences here. 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 She absolutely believes it. 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:36,000 So Nick and I are going to go talk to them to kind of feel out, you know, where in the building seem to be the hot spots. 125 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 It feels incredible to be back here. 126 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 It's also one of those things I never thought I'd be back. 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,000 And I said, I never want to come back in here for obvious reasons, but here I am. 128 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 We've had a good friendship for years and this is perfect time. 129 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,000 So I've definitely heard all the stories, but I mean, why don't you guys take me back to the beginning because this is my first time here. 130 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,000 I opened up here in 1978, September the eighth, 1978. 131 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 And it's been a, it's been a great ride. 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Been, uh, heard lots of stories, you know, from people about the paranormal. 133 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 And I never was one to believe in that sort of thing. 134 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,000 I still don't like to say come for the ghost and stay for the music. 135 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 When you bought the place, did you feel compelled to buy it? 136 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Was it just almost? 137 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Yeah. 138 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Yeah. 139 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Do you feel like it was something almost like a higher power telling you, Bobby, this is your place. 140 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 I felt like I'd been in here before. 141 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 I felt like I knew what, what was in here. 142 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 I thought I need this place and I'm going to make this place work as a country music place. 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Right. 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 And 39 years later. 145 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Wow. 146 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 This location just has so much history. 147 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:46,000 It has a reputation of amazing music, obviously you, your name, and then it has this reputation of being extremely haunted. 148 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Like I've been to El Caterina. 149 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,000 It's had crazy effects on me when I've left the couple of times that I've been here. 150 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,000 But what's interesting that we can't figure out is what is haunting this location. 151 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Yeah. 152 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,000 It's probably my biggest question for you guys because I've, since I've never been here and I've just heard the stories from every single paranormal investigator. 153 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 What do you guys think is here? 154 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Well Denise believes in a little, you know, more than I do. 155 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Sure. 156 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 She's just a very spiritual person. 157 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 That's why we want to walk around with you and talk more about the paranormal stuff. 158 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Yeah. 159 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Right, right. 160 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 We'll do that. 161 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 We'll follow you. 162 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 All right. 163 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:27,000 I've investigated Bobby Mackey's music world in the past and when I left, I really had a negative experience and I had to come back to face it. 164 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Bobby takes us upstairs to Carl Lawson's room. 165 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Carl and I were friends and talked about his own dark experiences in the basement. 166 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 He passed away a few years ago. 167 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:52,000 This is where Carl stayed for several years when he was, you know, working for Bobby and taking care of the maintenance and stuff of the building. 168 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Yeah. 169 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Do you come up here at all? 170 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 I only, if I absolutely have to. 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Do you feel like there's something negative here? 172 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Yeah. 173 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Oh really? 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Very dark. 175 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Yeah. 176 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Carl's bed was right over here. 177 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 On that side? 178 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Yeah. 179 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 He slept with a shotgun. 180 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 He kept this door. 181 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 He barred this door shut and slept with a shotgun. 182 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Why do you sleep with a shotgun? 183 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Is that a shotgun? 184 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 For people or for ghosts? 185 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 You know. 186 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 All the above, I guess. 187 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I don't know. 188 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Really? 189 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Walking into Carl Lawson's apartment, I feel like a little bit of him is here. 190 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,000 What's happened in here as far as activity goes in this area? 191 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 I have seen the entity on the stage, walk up onto the stage. 192 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,000 And this was after we had closed down. 193 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Our security eye, Matt, he always knows when I scream that I need him immediately. 194 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Does Matt get scared too of this figure? 195 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Yeah, Matt doesn't like this entity. 196 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Matt had some experiences in the basement with this same entity. 197 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 The same hair color. 198 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Yeah, prior to me seeing it. 199 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 And when I first saw this entity, I told Matt about it. 200 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 And he said, I know who you're talking about. 201 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Really appreciate you guys laying us in here. 202 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 We have a long couple of days ahead of us. 203 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 And nobody's lived here for a long time. 204 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 So we're going to be the first to do this. 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 And we're here to try to figure out what's happening here. 206 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Not only do I know and believe it's already haunted, 207 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 I mean, that's a given for me. 208 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 I've had personal experiences here and afterwards. 209 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 I'm trying to figure out what is this other thing? 210 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 You know, that's kind of what I want to get to the bottom of. 211 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Thank you so much for showing us around. 212 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 It's been a privilege. 213 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Let's go meet up with Matt. 214 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 I know he's waiting for us. 215 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 OK. 216 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Ready? 217 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Matt Coates is one of the security guards here 218 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 at Bobby Mackie's Music World and also a caretaker. 219 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,000 He's been working here ever since I've been coming to this location. 220 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Downstairs in the basement, it feels like a whole other world. 221 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 It feels just negative and aggressive. 222 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,000 And it means it with purpose and intent. 223 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 So a lot of things have been seen down here, right, Matt? 224 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Yes. 225 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Shadow figures. 226 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 There's been quite a few shadow figures down towards this end. 227 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,000 I've seen the black silhouette of a guy wearing a cowboy hat. 228 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Every time I see him, I just start feeling uncomfortable. 229 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I don't know what it is. 230 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 I've just got a heavy feeling. 231 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Oh, my God. 232 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Wow. 233 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Holy cow. 234 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 I'm just feeling in here. 235 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Yeah, real hard right there. 236 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 You feel it hard in here? 237 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Uh-huh. 238 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 What do you feel, Katrina, when you walk in? 239 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Oh, yeah. 240 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 It's the heaviness on my chest again. 241 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Yeah. 242 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Is this the well, Matt? 243 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Holy cow. 244 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 So this is where Carl, I mean, he dug through this, right? 245 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Correct. 246 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 He chopped up the floor. 247 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 I don't like coming down here, especially by myself. 248 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Vescaid only for one night here. 249 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 We're living here for the next 72 hours for three days straight. 250 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 You're opening yourself up for them to take over. 251 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Do you think that can happen here? 252 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Oh, yeah. 253 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 I know it can happen. 254 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,000 It's when I was picked up and thrown across the room. 255 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 What room was that in? 256 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 That's this room right next to us. 257 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 In here? 258 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Yes. 259 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Can we go in there? 260 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Yeah. 261 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,000 In this room here in 2008, I was fixing these pipes above me, 262 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,000 and I felt like somebody had lifted up, put their hands underneath my arms, 263 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,000 lifted me up and threw me against this wall here. 264 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Oh, my God. 265 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000 What did you do? 266 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Did you like ran out? 267 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Yeah. 268 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Every time I've come here, right here in that room right there, 269 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 something so powerful and so negative. 270 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,000 This area here, I always get the heavy feeling, 271 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 like something's sitting on my chest. 272 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000 It's hard for me to breathe. 273 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 The ultimate goal here for Bobby Mackie's, 274 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,000 we need to figure out what is this thing. 275 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 We don't have a name of a person that died, 276 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 that was a negative person that we can pin it to, 277 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,000 but what is this negative thing? 278 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Let's get started. 279 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Yeah, we're going to get our stuff and get started on our investigation. 280 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Matt, thank you. 281 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 You're welcome, Boathead. 282 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,000 What do you think's here? 283 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:09,000 I honestly, I couldn't even begin to tell you what I think is here right now. 284 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 It's overwhelming here. 285 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Another world, right? 286 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Yeah, absolutely. 287 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 It's like you answered some other realm and it's just a dream state. 288 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 No, something's very different over here. 289 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 It's what it feels like. 290 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,000 I can see if you are someone who's vulnerable, 291 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 this would be a very bad place to be. 292 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 We should probably get started for tonight. 293 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Yeah, I agree. 294 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Let's begin. 295 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Okay. 296 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,000 I have to keep my guard up here at Bobby Mackie's 297 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,000 because there's things that can just hit you when you least expect. 298 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Oh my God. 299 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Do you remember me? 300 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 You know who I am. 301 00:13:48,000 --> 00:14:01,000 I've just seen I'll never come back to Bobby Mackie's. 302 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 I am here. 303 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 I feel like I have to do this. 304 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 We set up static cameras throughout the building 305 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,000 so that we can monitor what's going on in other rooms as we investigate. 306 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Oh God. 307 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Are you okay? 308 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,000 I felt dizzy right off the bat. 309 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Did you? 310 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Yeah. 311 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,000 It's so strange being back here. 312 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 You've said my name. 313 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 I've heard you. 314 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 You know who I am. 315 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Can we finally meet 316 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 and see each other face to face 317 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 so I can finally understand what you are? 318 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 For years I thought you were something. 319 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 I'm trying to put out my guard. 320 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 I feel just uncomfortable. 321 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Is this where you come in and out of? 322 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Is this how you come into our world and leave our world? 323 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Is that you guys? 324 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 I'm not moving. 325 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Did you hear? 326 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,000 You didn't hear that? 327 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 No. 328 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Yeah. 329 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 It's like we're here. 330 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Right there. 331 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Hold on. 332 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Okay. 333 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Was that upstairs? 334 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000 That was upstairs. 335 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 That's upstairs. 336 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 The fuck was that? 337 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,000 What was that? 338 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 That's upstairs. 339 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 That's upstairs. 340 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 That's upstairs. 341 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Yes. 342 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 I've had enough of this. 343 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Disject. 344 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,560 The fuck was that? 345 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,560 What was that? 346 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,300 We're hearing knocks. 347 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:03,200 We're hearing bangs. 348 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,000 We're hearing footsteps. 349 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,080 And it seems to be leading us through all these different 350 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,680 spots in the location. 351 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,840 And we're kind of on this chase to find 352 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,980 what's causing these sounds. 353 00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:17,980 It's surreal, you know, because I've only ever heard 354 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:21,860 about this place from every single investigator I've ever 355 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:22,920 met. 356 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,460 So there's like 85% of me that's super excited to be here. 357 00:16:28,460 --> 00:16:33,820 And then there's the other 15 that's kind of terrified 358 00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:35,420 to be here, to be honest with you. 359 00:16:35,420 --> 00:16:36,420 Yeah. 360 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:54,920 I can't see anything. 361 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:55,920 I can't freaking see. 362 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,420 It's so dark in here. 363 00:17:02,420 --> 00:17:04,420 I'm just going to show you how dark it is right now. 364 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:07,420 This is how dark it is. 365 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:13,420 We cannot see anything but the exit signs. 366 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:14,420 There's Rob. 367 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:18,920 That's how dark it is. 368 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:40,420 I can't see anything. 369 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:42,420 Walking into Carl Lawson's apartment, 370 00:17:42,420 --> 00:17:44,420 it feels a little emotional. 371 00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:48,420 He told me if he ever leaves this world, 372 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:52,420 he said he's going to be watching over this place. 373 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:55,420 Nick, did you ever have anything happen up here before? 374 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:57,420 Every time I come up here, I feel just messed up. 375 00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:58,420 Do you? 376 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:02,420 I'm about you guys, but I feel the hurt. 377 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:05,420 I feel someone just touched me at the top of the head. 378 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:06,420 You just touched Nick? 379 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:07,420 What? 380 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:08,420 It's funny you said that exact same second, 381 00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:09,420 I felt something touch my ear. 382 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:10,420 Really? 383 00:18:10,420 --> 00:18:11,420 Right when you said that. 384 00:18:11,420 --> 00:18:13,420 All right, you guys are going to think I'm making this up, 385 00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:15,420 but right as you guys were talking about that, 386 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:18,420 it felt like something kind of tugged on the back of my hair. 387 00:18:18,420 --> 00:18:20,420 Carl, are you here with us? 388 00:18:20,420 --> 00:18:21,420 Is that you? 389 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:23,420 I feel so different up here. 390 00:18:23,420 --> 00:18:24,420 Whoa. 391 00:18:24,420 --> 00:18:26,420 I feel so different up here. 392 00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:28,420 I feel so different up here. 393 00:18:28,420 --> 00:18:29,420 I feel so different up here. 394 00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:31,420 Whoa. 395 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:33,420 There was a loud hit. 396 00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:38,420 Are you downstairs? 397 00:18:38,420 --> 00:18:41,420 We moved downstairs with the Geoport to inspect the sound 398 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:43,420 that seemed to come from the first floor. 399 00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:47,420 The Geoport uses a phonetic sound bank application 400 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:51,420 that spirits can manipulate to directly communicate with us. 401 00:19:00,420 --> 00:19:02,420 Where are you going to show yourself? 402 00:19:02,420 --> 00:19:03,420 What room? 403 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:07,420 Basement. 404 00:19:10,420 --> 00:19:13,420 We have been chasing sounds down, loud banging sounds coming 405 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:15,420 from the attic down here, over there. 406 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:18,420 When we were in Carl's room too, we heard that loud sound. 407 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:21,420 I think honestly, if you want, sleep right here. 408 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:23,420 I'm going to go back up to Carl's room. 409 00:19:23,420 --> 00:19:24,420 Yeah? 410 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:26,420 Because no one's been up there for a very long time 411 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:27,420 in the sense of sleeping there. 412 00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:28,420 Yeah. 413 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:29,420 Let's go. 414 00:19:32,420 --> 00:19:34,420 From talking to Denise and Bobby, 415 00:19:34,420 --> 00:19:36,420 the stage area is a very active place. 416 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:39,420 So I'm going to sleep here to see if while I'm vulnerable, 417 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:42,420 something will manifest or communicate with me. 418 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:49,420 Hearing these loud sounds, these bangs, these footsteps, 419 00:19:49,420 --> 00:19:52,420 these are only scratching the surface. 420 00:19:52,420 --> 00:19:56,420 It hasn't really shown itself in full force yet. 421 00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:59,420 I'm tired, and I'm sleeping right here in the middle 422 00:19:59,420 --> 00:20:01,420 of the dance floor. 423 00:20:01,420 --> 00:20:02,420 I'm exhausted. 424 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:03,420 Good night. 425 00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:09,420 Maybe you can help me out, try to figure out 426 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:11,420 what's going on up here. 427 00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:13,420 I'm just signed right now into sleeping Carl Lawson's 428 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:16,420 old apartment, and I feel like there's such a connection there, 429 00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:19,420 and I want to try to figure out where this negative presence 430 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:20,420 could be in this building. 431 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:29,420 What moment is that? 432 00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:58,420 Day two's here. 433 00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:00,420 Bobby Mackies. 434 00:21:11,420 --> 00:21:14,420 It just feels like you're being watched all the time. 435 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:24,420 Katrina? 436 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:28,420 What? 437 00:21:28,420 --> 00:21:29,420 You OK? 438 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:30,420 Yeah. 439 00:21:30,420 --> 00:21:31,420 Oh. 440 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:32,420 What is it? 441 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:37,420 No, I'm just realizing I slept on the dance floor 442 00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:41,420 with Bobby Mackies. 443 00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:42,420 It's bad ass. 444 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:45,420 Oh, goodness. 445 00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:48,420 Did you have anything happen here? 446 00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:50,420 I almost felt like Carl protected me up there. 447 00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:51,420 Really? 448 00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:52,420 Yeah. 449 00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:56,420 Before the start of our second day of investigation, 450 00:21:56,420 --> 00:21:59,420 we review the evidence from when we were in Carl's room 451 00:21:59,420 --> 00:22:02,420 and heard a loud bang come from downstairs. 452 00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,420 Whoa. 453 00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:07,420 There was a loud hit. 454 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:08,420 Hey, Nick. 455 00:22:08,420 --> 00:22:09,420 Yeah. 456 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:11,420 Yeah, come here for a second. 457 00:22:11,420 --> 00:22:13,420 So this is the love room. 458 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:14,420 Oh, yeah. 459 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:15,420 Saw that. 460 00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:16,420 Did you see it? 461 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:17,420 Yep. 462 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:18,420 It like shakes and moves. 463 00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:21,420 Yeah, it shook and totally moves like something. 464 00:22:21,420 --> 00:22:22,420 It moved it. 465 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:25,420 The noise we heard seems to come from the well room 466 00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:28,420 and was strong enough to shake our camera. 467 00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:29,420 That's so strange, right? 468 00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:30,420 Yeah. 469 00:22:30,420 --> 00:22:34,420 Again, this is also one of the most notoriously haunted areas 470 00:22:34,420 --> 00:22:36,420 of Bobby Mackies. 471 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:40,420 And historically, it has a lot of significance. 472 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:44,420 When Rob returns, we go back to the well room to investigate. 473 00:22:44,420 --> 00:22:47,420 And it still feels definitely creepy during the day. 474 00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:50,420 It doesn't matter what time of the day, night it is. 475 00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:53,420 It's always that weird feeling that you're being followed, 476 00:22:53,420 --> 00:22:55,420 watched. 477 00:22:55,420 --> 00:22:57,420 We came down like you told us to. 478 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:04,420 Can you make a loud sound so we can hear where you are? 479 00:23:04,420 --> 00:23:07,420 Do you remember me? 480 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:10,420 You were talking to Katrina and I upstairs. 481 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:12,420 You wanted us in the basement. 482 00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:16,420 We're here. 483 00:23:16,420 --> 00:23:19,420 Well, it feels weird in here. 484 00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:29,420 Can you come back into this room? 485 00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:32,420 You're not allowed to hurt us, though. 486 00:23:32,420 --> 00:23:34,420 What was that? 487 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:36,420 I don't know. 488 00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:38,420 Do you think it's like, I mean, do you think it's inhuman? 489 00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:40,420 I really don't know. 490 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:43,420 Because I feel like I've heard so many people say it over the years. 491 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:46,420 You're not allowed to hurt us, though. 492 00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:48,420 I don't know. 493 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,420 I don't know. 494 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:52,420 I don't know. 495 00:23:52,420 --> 00:23:53,420 I don't know. 496 00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:54,420 I don't know. 497 00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:55,420 I don't know. 498 00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:56,420 I don't know. 499 00:23:56,420 --> 00:23:57,420 I don't know. 500 00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:58,420 I don't know. 501 00:23:58,420 --> 00:23:59,420 I don't know. 502 00:23:59,420 --> 00:24:00,420 I don't know. 503 00:24:01,420 --> 00:24:03,420 What was that? 504 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:05,420 Oh, yeah, I heard that. 505 00:24:05,420 --> 00:24:07,420 That was right behind you. 506 00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:08,420 Did you hear that? 507 00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:09,420 What was that? 508 00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:13,420 Like, again, that muffled kind of thing. 509 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:14,420 Is that what you heard? 510 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:16,420 I heard just growling or something. 511 00:24:16,420 --> 00:24:18,420 It just, like, shot right through my body. 512 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:20,420 What was that? 513 00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:21,420 What was that? 514 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:23,420 It sounded like it came from right over here. 515 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:24,420 I don't know. 516 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:25,420 I don't know. 517 00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:26,420 I don't know. 518 00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:27,420 I don't know. 519 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:28,420 I don't know. 520 00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:31,420 It came from right over here. 521 00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:36,420 It came from, to me, it sounded like it came from over here. 522 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:39,420 So it was either in this room, like, right around here, 523 00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:41,420 or it was right above this room. 524 00:24:41,420 --> 00:24:44,420 There's something here. 525 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:46,420 All of a sudden, it feels like everything is just 526 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:50,420 encompassed in darkness, and we're feeling this presence. 527 00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:53,420 But what really got under our skin is hearing this growl. 528 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:55,420 It's really scary. 529 00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:58,420 What's the significance of the well? 530 00:24:58,420 --> 00:25:01,420 Seems like it's just a lot of rumors. 531 00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:07,420 Do you feel anything in here now? 532 00:25:07,420 --> 00:25:10,420 Right when I walked in, I felt that just overwhelming 533 00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:13,420 feeling of, um, sickness. 534 00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:16,420 And then suddenly, it went away. 535 00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:18,420 Oh, yeah. 536 00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:20,420 Right here. 537 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:22,420 That was loud, huh? 538 00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:24,420 Back in the room. 539 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:25,420 Can you hear? 540 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,420 Right from the room. 541 00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:29,420 I heard it. 542 00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:32,420 A lot of thump right in there. 543 00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:35,420 I think it's trying to aggravate us, confuse us, 544 00:25:35,420 --> 00:25:39,420 question it, wait till we're vulnerable. 545 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:42,420 And we're getting, we kind of, you know, 546 00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:45,420 a couple times, but I don't know, maybe it's trying to just 547 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:48,420 wait for the perfect opportunity. 548 00:25:52,420 --> 00:25:54,420 It's such a different feeling at night. 549 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:55,420 It's so creepy. 550 00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:57,420 It's pitch-dark in here. 551 00:25:57,420 --> 00:25:59,420 Well, you know, I keep thinking about, 552 00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:01,420 we were hearing all those sounds up here 553 00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:02,420 when we were downstairs. 554 00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:03,420 Yeah. 555 00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:05,420 And it kind of goes back to what you were saying about 556 00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:07,420 this thing just plays with you. 557 00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:08,420 It does. 558 00:26:08,420 --> 00:26:10,420 It's just a very different feeling. 559 00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:13,420 It's just a different thing just plays with you. 560 00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:14,420 It does. 561 00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:15,420 It plays tricks on you. 562 00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:18,420 It kind of confuses you, makes you chase down phantom sounds. 563 00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:21,420 Bobby and Denise both told us that the thing that they hear 564 00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:24,420 the most of is that people feel these cold breezes 565 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:26,420 on them all the time. 566 00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:28,420 So bringing the thermal, you know, 567 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,420 can distinguish heat signatures. 568 00:26:30,420 --> 00:26:31,420 We get a figure. 569 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:33,420 It should show up. 570 00:26:33,420 --> 00:26:35,420 Hello? 571 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:37,420 We kept hearing you downstairs. 572 00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:38,420 Were you here? 573 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:40,420 Or were you happy that we were downstairs 574 00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:42,420 and out of your hair up here? 575 00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:44,420 Are you a little camera shy? 576 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:46,420 They've had a lot of activity here. 577 00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:48,420 A lot of shadow figures back and forth. 578 00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:50,420 It is a different feeling back here, though. 579 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:51,420 Right? 580 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:53,420 I was kind of feeling that earlier today. 581 00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:54,420 Yeah. 582 00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:55,420 When I was just sort of... 583 00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:56,420 It's kind of rough. 584 00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:58,420 It's like this feeling of somebody's 585 00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:00,420 going to rush out and punch you in the face. 586 00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:01,420 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 587 00:27:01,420 --> 00:27:03,420 I mean, the only other thing I could think... 588 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:05,420 Whoa. 589 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:06,420 Did you see something? 590 00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:07,420 Is that from back there? 591 00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:08,420 Yes. 592 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:09,420 You heard that, right? 593 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:10,420 The thing I could think... 594 00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:11,420 Whoa. 595 00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:13,420 The thing I could think... 596 00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:14,420 Whoa. 597 00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:16,420 There was a... 598 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:19,420 like a chair moved or something, right? 599 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:20,420 It was like at the bar. 600 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:21,420 Oh, let's go over there. 601 00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:23,420 There was a chair that just, like, 602 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:24,420 thumped on the ground. 603 00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:27,420 Did you move something? 604 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:29,420 To make contact with whatever was making the noise 605 00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:32,420 at the bar, we used the spectral geobox, 606 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:34,420 which converts laser light to sound, 607 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:37,420 giving spirits another way to communicate. 608 00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:41,420 Did that just say Nick Ruff? 609 00:27:41,420 --> 00:27:42,420 It did. 610 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:43,420 I heard that too. 611 00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:44,420 I totally heard that. 612 00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:48,420 It said Nick Ruff. 613 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:51,420 Do you remember Nick? 614 00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:57,420 Yep. 615 00:27:57,420 --> 00:27:59,420 He's back. 616 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:02,420 I'm suddenly just, like, 617 00:28:02,420 --> 00:28:06,420 just drained of every ounce of energy I have. 618 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:08,420 It keeps happening to you. 619 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:09,420 Here's the thing. 620 00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:12,420 So far, we've had the most experiences 621 00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:14,420 downstairs in the basement. 622 00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:15,420 Yeah, it's been intense. 623 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:17,420 Maybe we should go back down to the basement. 624 00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:22,420 After Ruff leaves for the night, 625 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:25,420 Katrina and I keep investigating in the basement. 626 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:30,420 I'm sorry. 627 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:44,420 There's a flip step. 628 00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:57,420 Be careful Nick. 629 00:28:59,420 --> 00:29:00,420 Be careful. 630 00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:14,420 What the hell? 631 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:21,420 Oh. 632 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:23,420 It sounded like a camera upstairs. 633 00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:26,420 It's like a bandit. 634 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:28,420 Can you say something? 635 00:29:29,420 --> 00:29:30,420 What is down here? 636 00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:34,420 So many people have come through this building. 637 00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:39,420 A lot of stories have been told. 638 00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:43,420 But one thing hasn't been told is who you truly are, 639 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:44,420 whatever you are. 640 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:55,420 You can see how old this well is right here. 641 00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:58,420 See all the old stone, how it was dug out? 642 00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:09,420 It smells so bad down there. 643 00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:18,420 I just feel like, oh my god, 644 00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:20,420 I got wicked dizzy all of a sudden. 645 00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:21,420 Holy shit. 646 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:22,420 You all right? 647 00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:24,420 Oh. 648 00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:28,420 And there's something revolving around this spot. 649 00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:30,420 And I'm going to put myself right here. 650 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:32,420 Nothing to be scared of it. 651 00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:33,420 I'm going to stand my ground. 652 00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:36,420 I'm going to sleep above the well. 653 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,420 How are you going to sleep above the well? 654 00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:42,420 I brought hammock to extend over the top of the well. 655 00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:44,420 And sure that's safe to do? 656 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:45,420 Probably not. 657 00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:46,420 Obviously it's not. 658 00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:49,420 I think, look, if we both sleep down here, 659 00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:50,420 I sleep at that other end. 660 00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:54,420 Where a bunch of apparitions have been seen by multiple people. 661 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,420 You sleep in here over the well. 662 00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:58,420 Hopefully nothing happens where you fall. 663 00:30:58,420 --> 00:31:02,420 Then we'll be able to kind of figure out, OK, is it you? 664 00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:04,420 Or is it the face? 665 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:09,420 I'm also going to set up a device around this well. 666 00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:10,420 So it's going to indicate if there's 667 00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:13,420 any temperature changes or any motion. 668 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:16,420 Everybody's been talking about for a long time 669 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:19,420 called Hell's Gate, the Port of Hell, 670 00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:21,420 whatever they've been calling it. 671 00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:24,420 I want to get to the bottom of, like, what this thing is. 672 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,420 All right. 673 00:31:25,420 --> 00:31:28,420 So I'm all set for bed. 674 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:31,420 Nick and I are both sleeping in the basement. 675 00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:35,420 Nick is in his hammock over the well. 676 00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:40,420 I am sleeping right here in kind of a high traffic area 677 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:42,420 for apparitions to show up. 678 00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:49,420 If this device detects any motion coming through the doorway 679 00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:51,420 over here or crossing over these beams, 680 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:53,420 then the lights will light up white. 681 00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:57,420 I'm doing this to try to get more evidence of what is happening here. 682 00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:44,420 What is that? 683 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:47,420 Something just walked in the room. 684 00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:48,420 Did you just enter the room? 685 00:32:48,420 --> 00:33:12,420 I just woke up and I got out of the well. 686 00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:14,420 I'm going to wake a train up right now. 687 00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:17,420 It's day three and it's still creepy down here, 688 00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:19,420 even during the day. 689 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:20,420 Katrina? 690 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:25,420 Katrina? 691 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:26,420 Are you up? 692 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:29,420 We have to review the cameras. 693 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:31,420 It felt so weird in that room. 694 00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:32,420 All right. 695 00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:49,420 Katrina? 696 00:33:49,420 --> 00:33:50,420 Yeah? 697 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:51,420 You have to see this. 698 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:52,420 Come here. 699 00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:53,420 Look, this is last night. 700 00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:54,420 You see this? 701 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:55,420 No. 702 00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:56,420 Right there. 703 00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:57,420 You see that? 704 00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:58,420 Watch. 705 00:33:58,420 --> 00:33:59,420 Just keep watching this. 706 00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:01,420 This is incredible. 707 00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:04,420 What the hell is this thing? 708 00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:05,420 Just keep watching. 709 00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:10,420 This is amazing. 710 00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:15,420 What in the world? 711 00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:23,420 Oh, so it grows. 712 00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:24,420 It's growing. 713 00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:26,420 It's growing. 714 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:27,420 Yeah, look at that. 715 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:28,420 That's amazing. 716 00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:38,420 This, I'm blown away right now by this. 717 00:34:38,420 --> 00:34:40,420 This is amazing. 718 00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:45,420 Neither of us have seen something move, act like this. 719 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:48,420 We have all of our security cameras capturing dust. 720 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:50,420 And we can clearly see how that looks 721 00:34:50,420 --> 00:34:52,420 and how it moves and how it acts. 722 00:34:52,420 --> 00:34:54,420 This is different. 723 00:34:58,420 --> 00:35:01,420 I think we have to focus everything we have tonight 724 00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:02,420 on the basement. 725 00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:04,420 And we got to get back down there. 726 00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:05,420 Mm-hmm. 727 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:06,420 Yeah. 728 00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:07,420 All right, let's get started. 729 00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:08,420 Let's go. 730 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:10,420 When Rob returns, we go back to the well room 731 00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:13,420 to investigate the entity that was calling us down there. 732 00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:15,420 It's growing more powerful. 733 00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:21,420 Tonight, Katrina, I think it's time to really bring 734 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:24,420 all of our equipment out, focus on down here. 735 00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:25,420 Yeah. 736 00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:26,420 Things keep happening when we isolate. 737 00:35:26,420 --> 00:35:29,420 When we slept down here, this is when we started, 738 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,420 you know, getting visual evidence of whatever this is. 739 00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:35,420 I think we should probably try to recreate the experience 740 00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:37,420 as best as we can this last night. 741 00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:39,420 So if I'm out there where I slept last night, 742 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:40,420 I'll use the 3D mapping. 743 00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:42,420 I'll use thermal camera. 744 00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:44,420 Then, you know, maybe we can capture this thing. 745 00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:46,420 I'm ready to face this thing. 746 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:48,420 I think this will close the chapter for me 747 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:50,420 if I can finally confront it. 748 00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:56,420 This is our last night at Bopi Mackeys, 749 00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:58,420 and I still want to see this thing in action. 750 00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:01,420 We've had pretty good luck with our 3D mapping camera 751 00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:04,420 in the past, and I want to see, does this entity, 752 00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:06,420 does this energy map out like a human 753 00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:08,420 if it's caught on camera? 754 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:11,420 I think if we can capture it in another way, 755 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:14,420 visually, then it might give us more answers. 756 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:16,420 I'm going to use the God helmet, 757 00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:18,420 and this applies magnetic signals 758 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:20,420 to the temporal lobes of the brain. 759 00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:22,420 It's also used in scientific research 760 00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:25,420 to study spiritual experiences. 761 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:29,420 Todd Murphy actually created this God helmet 762 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:32,420 with 16 coils, but we modified it 763 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:34,420 to the original God helmet, 764 00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:36,420 which was actually created by Stanley Korn 765 00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:38,420 and Dr. Michael Persinger. 766 00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:40,420 I tested it outside the location. 767 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:42,420 It's safe. I had a positive experience. 768 00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:46,420 I actually had some weird visions. 769 00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:48,420 We have to try to figure out what is here. 770 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:51,420 Right. So I'm going to be stationed over here, Nick. 771 00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:55,420 This is exactly where my bed was last night, 772 00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:58,420 and this energy ball formed over here. 773 00:36:58,420 --> 00:37:00,420 Tonight, we have a thermal camera 774 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:02,420 in case there's any heat or cold signatures. 775 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:05,420 We have the 3D mapping in case there's mass to it. 776 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:07,420 Then we have the IR camera that's set up. 777 00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:10,420 So let me take you back to the well room where I slept. 778 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:12,420 I'm going to show you what I have set up 779 00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:14,420 for this massive experiment that we're doing right now. 780 00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:18,420 I'm going to try to cross over into that other realm spiritually. 781 00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:20,420 I'm really going to try to connect 782 00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:22,420 with what we've been feeling here, 783 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:23,420 what we've documented. 784 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:24,420 It's night three. 785 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:26,420 It's my last chance to make contact 786 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:28,420 with the dark entity that's been preying on people. 787 00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:31,420 I'm going to use the God helmet and confront it 788 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:33,420 so I can finally see what it is. 789 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:35,420 While using the God helmet, 790 00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,420 my eyes will be completely covered. 791 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:38,420 Room. 792 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:40,420 Do you remember when I was in here last night? 793 00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:42,420 You know me by name. 794 00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:46,420 Everything got cold all of a sudden. 795 00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:50,420 Are you here with me? 796 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:55,420 I could feel you moving to this room. 797 00:37:56,420 --> 00:37:58,420 This is the area where I slept the other night 798 00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:02,420 and something was hovering above me. 799 00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:05,420 I'm trying to keep my fear down a little bit 800 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:07,420 so I don't panic. 801 00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:11,420 I'm seeing this figure of this old man behind the wall 802 00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:15,420 and the teeth are sharp. 803 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:17,420 The face is drooping. 804 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:21,420 He's trying to get through the wood to come through the wall. 805 00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:24,420 Right as I'm experiencing these visions, 806 00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:27,420 the device detects something moving into the room. 807 00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:31,420 Here's the chance to show yourself to me. 808 00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:35,420 Can you make a loud, crashing noise? 809 00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:36,420 Can you knock? 810 00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:38,420 I mean, there's so many things here to knock over. 811 00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:40,420 Knock something over if you're so powerful. 812 00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:42,420 That's so weird. 813 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:46,420 What was that? 814 00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:47,420 Nick? 815 00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:51,420 Wait, where are you? 816 00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:54,420 That's really weird because, like, 817 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:58,420 I just asked for whatever this thing is to make something move. 818 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,420 Can you take all the energy in this room 819 00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:02,420 and use it to show yourself? 820 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:06,420 Use it to manifest into our world so we can see you? 821 00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:09,420 I feel like something's here with me. 822 00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,420 I'm seeing something move into the room. 823 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:21,420 I just felt something again move into the room. 824 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:22,420 Oh, my God. 825 00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:28,420 I see it. 826 00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:31,420 I have to stop that. 827 00:39:31,420 --> 00:39:33,420 It's something mapped out right here. 828 00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:35,420 Okay, so right now I'm mapped out 829 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,420 and there's a figure mapped out to my left. 830 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:40,420 Are you what we captured the other night? 831 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,420 Oh, there you are. 832 00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:51,420 Oh. 833 00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:54,420 Can you touch my hands? 834 00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:56,420 I'm going to move away from you. 835 00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:58,420 Maybe you'll come out to get me. 836 00:39:59,420 --> 00:40:00,420 That's gone. 837 00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:01,420 That's weird. 838 00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:05,420 I just feel like something, all the sun had just changed again. 839 00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:07,420 It feels like something's here now. 840 00:40:08,420 --> 00:40:10,420 I'm not going to let you scare me. 841 00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:12,420 You've done that to me in the past. 842 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,420 I'm not letting you scare me. 843 00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:16,420 You've done that to me in the past. 844 00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:18,420 I'm not letting you do that again. 845 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:21,420 Nick. 846 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:22,420 Yeah. 847 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,420 Hey. 848 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:24,420 How are you feeling? 849 00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:25,420 Really weird. 850 00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:27,420 Your session's over. 851 00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:28,420 All right. 852 00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:30,420 I'm going to take the helmet off. 853 00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:40,420 I really tried separating myself to be logical, 854 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:43,420 to just go through the experiment and have an experience. 855 00:40:43,420 --> 00:40:47,420 But I do think that whatever we've been dealing with 856 00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:51,420 and whatever is haunting Bobby Mackey's here in the basement, 857 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:56,420 I think it's something that was here way long before. 858 00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:59,420 And it grew strong throughout the century. 859 00:40:59,420 --> 00:41:03,420 I think that it's something that we don't fully comprehend. 860 00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:04,420 But I saw it. 861 00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:06,420 I saw what it was. 862 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:07,420 I mean, I faced it. 863 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:09,420 Do you think it means harm? 864 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:11,420 I think it feeds off of people's fear. 865 00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:15,420 I think it can get to somebody and break them down 866 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:18,420 and really control them the way it wants to. 867 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:25,420 Let's pack the rest of our equipment right now 868 00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:27,420 and let's get everything ready to go. 869 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:29,420 Bobby and Denise should be back here soon 870 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:31,420 and we can show them our evidence. 871 00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:32,420 Yeah, sounds good. 872 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:33,420 Let's get out of here. 873 00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:37,420 So we have some really amazing evidence that we captured. 874 00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:38,420 OK. 875 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:40,420 So basically what you see, this is one of the nights 876 00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:41,420 we were sleeping. 877 00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:43,420 We have four cameras set up. 878 00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:44,420 Here's where it gets strange. 879 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:45,420 I'm just going to play this. 880 00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:48,420 Now watch carefully on Katrina's camera over here 881 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:52,420 and then you're going to see something that's going to be really weird. 882 00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:55,420 Oh my god. 883 00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:56,420 Isn't that weird? 884 00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:57,420 Keep watching. 885 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:04,420 I've never seen anything like this before in my life. 886 00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:05,420 Me neither. 887 00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:06,420 I have the chills right now. 888 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:09,420 Bobby, even though he has had things happen to him, 889 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:13,420 is definitely more the skeptical side of the paranormal. 890 00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:16,420 I could just see it in his face that his whole view 891 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:19,420 just dramatically changed within a second. 892 00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:20,420 It's amazing. 893 00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:22,420 How does this make you feel now? 894 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:26,420 I understand more than ever the feeling that people get 895 00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:29,420 when they go down there and the feeling that people have 896 00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:31,420 tried to relate to me over and over, 897 00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:34,420 but I wouldn't accept it or wouldn't listen to it. 898 00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:37,420 I just, you know, just listened to what they had to say, 899 00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:39,420 but I can see it now. 900 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:42,420 I've always felt that there was no place like this place. 901 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:43,420 Yeah, absolutely. 902 00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:45,420 I've always felt that. 903 00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:47,420 Now I believe it even more. 904 00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:48,420 Yeah, it's special. 905 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:50,420 There's something special about Bobby Mackey's. 906 00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:52,420 I can't thank you both enough. 907 00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:53,420 I really, really appreciate it. 908 00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:54,420 Thank you. 909 00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:56,420 And I will be back again. 910 00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:57,420 Good. 911 00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:58,420 Yeah, good. 912 00:42:58,420 --> 00:42:59,420 We love it. 913 00:42:59,420 --> 00:43:00,420 Thanks. 914 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:01,420 Thank you so much. 915 00:43:01,420 --> 00:43:02,420 Thank you. 916 00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:03,420 Thanks. 917 00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:05,420 Bobby Mackey's is absolutely haunted. 918 00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:07,420 I can say that 100%. 919 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:08,420 It is haunted. 920 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:12,420 If you come into a place that has this type of activity 921 00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:14,420 and you're vulnerable at all in any way, 922 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:16,420 you better buckle up because it's not going 923 00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:18,420 to be an easy ride for you. 924 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,420 I really believe that I accomplished what I came here to do, 925 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,420 to face this negative presence. 926 00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:27,420 And it feels more positive as I walk away, 927 00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:29,420 and it's a new chapter in my life. 928 00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:34,420 I overcame my own personal fears of stepping back into the world 929 00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:37,420 of Bobby Mackey's music world.